CPL Cycling - Draft Discussion

Discussion in 'CPL Cycling' started by Skippos, Jul 28, 2013.

  1. KickATinAlong IA Ryabovol

    obvs, more a comment on tt'ing ability than anything else
     
  2. KickATinAlong IA Ryabovol

    cheers for that vimes - will update when I get home tomorrow
     
  3. Jabba HJ Bots

    Can someone do a break down for me

    How many riders should I be looking to have to cover the 3 GTs how many do I need to be classic riders, 1 day racers, week tour guys etc
     
  4. Skippos SM Morgan

    I'd look at having three genuine stage race leaders, probably 10-12 blokes who can climb the high mountains, if they can time trial it's a bonus; you'll want blokes who can TT for the team time trials, I'd look at 4 sprinters as well, perhaps 5 with a total of 8 blokes who can participate in a sprint train - whether that's 4 sprinters and 4 Lancaster-esque leadout men or 6/2. Some sprinters will double up as classics riders and I'd look at assembling a good few cobble riders too - 3/4 or so. If you don't already have a cobbled rider I'd just forget about them unless you nab one of the 2-3 potentially top 10 paris-roubaix finishers left in the pool. I'd also look at 3/4 punchers - the Gerrans/Albasini kind of blokes who can really attack on the small climbs.

    Really that should leave you at 27 or so blokes so work from that, I guess.
     
  5. Jabba HJ Bots

    Pick First Name Last Name
    1 Sylvain Chavanel
    2 Michele Scarponi
    3 Daniel Martin
    4 Jakob Fuglsang
    5 Andrew Talansky
    6 Fränk Schleck
    7 Thomas Voeckler
    8 JJ Rojas
    9 Thor Hushovd
    10 Giovanni Visconti
    11 Romain Bardet
    12 Tony Gallopin
    13 Greg Henderson
    14 Gerald Ciolek
    15 Tyler Farrar
    16 Janez Brajkovič
    17 Ivan Basso
    18 Kanstantsin Siutsou
    19 Dario Cataldo
    20 Laurens ten Dam
    21 Maxime Monfort

    Are any of my riders cobble riders? I understand some are punchers like Visconti and Bardet and alot of my guys can time trial and Climb aswell IIRC
     
    Last edited: Aug 11, 2013
  6. KickATinAlong IA Ryabovol

    Not really any cobble specialists - Chavanel/Hushovd have had decent results in the past (especially Thor), but best look at guys who've had decent results @ the Tour of Flanders, Paris-Roubaix, Gent-Wevelgem in the last few years.
     
    Last edited: Aug 11, 2013
  7. Weeman27bob BE Force

    1. Chris Froome - GC/TT
    2. Philip Gilbert - Classics/Puncheur
    3. Rigoberto Uran - GC/Climber
    4. Tony Martin - TT/Sprint Train
    5. Pierre Rolland - Climber
    6. Daniel Moreno - Climber/GV
    7. Matthew Goss - Sprinter
    8. David Millar - TT/Domestique
    9. Rein Taaramäe - GC/TT
    10. Michael Rogers - Domestique
    11. Marco Marcato - Sprinter
    12. Nicholas Roche - GC/Climber/Domestique?
    13. Alex Dowsett - TT
    14. Jens Voigt - Domestique
    15. Ben Swift - Sprinter
    16. Peter Velits - All roudner/TT
    17. Jan Barta - Climber/TT
    18. Joe Dombrowski - Climber/Domestique
    19. Christian Knees - Domestique
    20. Kenny Dehaes - Classics
    21. Rinaldo Nocentini - Classics
     
  8. Weeman27bob BE Force

    Also Skippos you've picked Velits when I've already picked him...
     
  9. KickATinAlong IA Ryabovol

    GT - GC:
    2. Alejandro Valverde
    5. Carlos Betancur
    6. Beñat Intxausti

    ST - GC:
    3. Rui Costa
    9. Simon Špilak
    4. Luis León Sánchez

    Sprinters:
    1. Peter Sagan
    12. Theo Bos
    16. Gianni Meersman
    24. Michael Matthews

    Classics:
    7. Lieuwe Westra (Hills/TT)
    10. Lars Boom (Cobbles/TT)
    8. Greg Van Avermaet (Cobbles)
    13. Jürgen Roelandts (Cobbles)
    15. Zdeněk Štybar (Cobbles)
    23. Matti Breschel (Cobbles)

    Domestiques:
    5. Taylor Phinney (TT/Flat)
    11. Jonathan Castroviejo (TT/Flat)
    14. Mikel Nieve (Climber)
    17. Andrey Amador (Climber)
    19. Javier Moreno (Climber)
    18. Lars Bak (TT/Cobbled Classics)
    20. Ramūnas Navardauskas (Breakaways/AR)
    21. Maxime Bouet (Breakaways/AR)
    22. Luke Durdridge (TT/Flat)
    25. Fabio Duarte (Climber)
    26. Haimar Zubeldia (Climber)

    Really not sure what type of riders you'd classify Bouet/Navardauskas as. Same for Westra/Boom -jack of all trades, masters of none?
     
    Last edited: Aug 18, 2013
  10. Skippos SM Morgan

    I'd probably say Westra's a time trialist cross puncher and Boom a time trialist cross cobbler. You're right though, hard to classify.
     
  11. KickATinAlong IA Ryabovol

    Yeah that's fair, both have had decent results on the flatter week long tours as well.
     
  12. Skippos SM Morgan

    Gonna copy the KATA format :p

    GT-GC
    Vincenzo Nibali
    Bradley Wiggins
    Jurgen Van Den Broeck

    ST-GC
    Michal Kwiatkowski
    Rafal Majka
    Tanel Kangert

    Classics
    Fabian Cancellara (Cobble) (Stage Race TT)
    Simon Gerrans (Hills)
    Alessandro Ballan (Cobble)
    Heinrich Haussler (Cobble) (Stage Race Sprinter)
    Sebastian Langeveld (Cobble)
    Jelle Vanendert (Hills) (Stage Race Mountain Domestique)
    Enrico Gasparotto (Hills)

    Sprinters
    Marcel Kittel
    Arnaud Demare
    Nacer Bouhanni

    Domestiques
    Thomas De Gendt (TT/Mountain/Hills)
    Rohan Dennis (TT/Hills)
    Thibaut Pinot (Mountains)
    Cameron Meyer (TT/Hills)
    Vasil Kiryienka (TT/Mountains)
    Mathias Frank (Mountains)



    Don't have many bona-fide domestiques; Pinot/De Gendt/Meyer/Dennis really haven't played the role much but I'll back them in. Once Pinot learns to TT/descend he's got the leader potential, IMO.
     
  13. Mariner CL Warrington

    1. Mark Cavendish (Sprinter #1)
    2. Joaquim Rodriguez (GC/Climber)
    3. Roman Kreuziger (GC)
    4. Alexander Kristoff (Sprinter)
    5. Tejay van Garderen (GC)
    6. John Degenkolb (Sprinter)
    7. Robert Gesink (GC/Climber)
    8. Mark Renshaw (Lead out train)
    9. Geraint Thomas (Domestique)
    10. Niki Terpstra (Classics)
    11. Wilco Kelderman (NFI)
    12. Igor Antón (Climber/Domestique)
    13. Chris Anker Sørensen (Climber/Domestique)
    14. Ian Stannard (Beast/Domestique)
    15. Fredrik Kessiakoff (Domestique/TT?)
    16. Juan Antonio Flecha (Classics/Domestique)
    17. Andreas Klöden (Old)
    18. Kenny van Hummel (Sprinter)
    19. Przemysław Niemiec (Climber/Domestique)
    20. Adam Blythe (Sprinter)
    21. Simon Clarke (NFI)
    22. Damiano Cunego (Classics/Climbing)

    Not sure exactly how good this is, probably lacking a bit in the classics and TT sections. Might make up for it in other facets, I dunno.
     
  14. Skippos SM Morgan

    Kristoff/flecha/terpstra is a fine cobbled unit IMO
     
  15. KickATinAlong IA Ryabovol

    Picks so far by Country:

    Italy - 20
    Spain - 15
    Netherlands - 14
    Belgium - 12
    France - 12
    Australia - 11
    Great Britain - 9
    Germany - 8
    United States of America - 5
    Colombia - 4
    Norway - 4
    Switzerland - 4
    Czech Republic - 3
    Denmark - 3
    Poland - 3
    Slovenia - 3
    Belarus - 2
    Estonia - 2
    Ireland - 2
    Luxembourg - 2
    Portugal - 2
    Slovakia - 2
    Austria - 1
    Canada - 1
    Costa Rica - 1
    Croatia - 1
    Kazakhstan - 1
    Lithuania - 1
    New Zealand - 1
    South Africa - 1
    Ukraine - 1
    Sweden - 1

    Noble has the most riders from one nation with 7 Italians, followed by myself with 6 Spaniards.
     
  16. KickATinAlong IA Ryabovol

    Was going to do a by pro team list, but that would've taken twice as long again....
     
  17. Magrat Garlick M Garlick

    Must admit I didn't expect Italy up there. Solid strength in depth I suppose.
     
  18. KickATinAlong IA Ryabovol

    Yeh same, was expecting it to be Belgium/Spain.
     
  19. Weeman27bob BE Force

    Of the nine British riders taken Mariner and I have 4 each.

    Clearly no national bias...
     
  20. Weeman27bob BE Force

    Can you have numbers in team names?

    2 sky 2 furious....
     

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