Hawks prem i've conceded is forwards, most definitely. Although with a midfield of Crawford, Lewis, Mitchell, Vandenberg, Hodge & Sewell you'd be crazy not to concede that it was a defensively proficient midfield. Even the small forwards (Bateman, Ladson, Osbourne) all played a defensive foil to the forwards. Collingwood's is a little more baffling; their midfield is unidimensionally attacking.
Premierships bring in fans. Have a look at Carlton's spine, that's the issue. Yes, their midfield is very, very offensive minded, which is stupid considering the defenders behind them too, but they're still a damn fine team. The current zone tactics I think is a good example of what I'm saying too. Its almost like they've decided that the best kind of defence is offence.
This is true, I'll agree, but who does this work? It's the midfielders. They're in the action the most, and they can turn that pressure into attack. Defensive mentality is carried through your midfielders, which is why they're more important, why they're better players. They work both ways, defenders like Glass do not.
To be fair a spine of Kreuzer - Jamison - Henderson - Waite - Resting ruck is better than plenty of premiership teams' Some of the best small forwards in the league and passable small backs. The problem lies completely in the middle. It's something I think North will go through soon too, with Swallow and to a lesser extent Cunnington being the only defensively proficient ones there.
Awesome discussion though. Love this shit. Need an afl subforum now IMO. Mouseh to man up and volunteer to help with ratings
Yeah, this is the reason why North fans overrate their list. They're all too similar a player and it'll hurt them. Would be sick. We'd be able to talk about so much more. I was gonna volunteer to do Geelong but thought a) I'd have some bias, and b) I'm on a simming spree right now and I'd rather not let anything get in the way when I have my free time.
I seriously think afl discussion would rival league discussion in posts per day. If you want to, it'd be gun re: geelong. Theo's list was fucking dope with no bias and he did richmond. But only if you want to/have time. Other cunts to volunteer
When are you looking at having the player ratings done by? Getting y wisdom teeth out tomorrow and will have a few days where I'm doin nothing.
Skip, is it only ratings out of 100 or are we doing all stats? If only out of 100, give me a team or two to do.
They'll take me awhile, 2 weeks at least. There'll definitely be teams for you to do. Let me know if you're keen/when. Yep. Sending soon. Just out of 100 - I'll centre the stats around your rating. Which one'd you like.
Oh, my bad. Point still stands No! It's not that - It's that I know you're new to the sport so i'm unsure if you'd be able to rate a full list of 46 players out of 100. You're free to though, I'll happily send one over
Harps: Code: Kangaroos Aaron Black 192 88 29-Nov-85 2006 WA Peel Thunder 35 n Forward Fifty Forward Forward Fifty TRUE OVERALL POTENTIAL Kangaroos Aaron Mullett 184 79 23-Feb-87 2006 VIC Eastern Ranges 41 n Back Center Back Fifty FALSE Kangaroos Andrew Swallow 182 80 02-Jun-82 2002 WA East Fremantle 9 n Center Center Center FALSE Kangaroos Ayden Kennedy 192 89 30-Oct-86 0 VIC Eastern Ranges 36 n Forward Back Center FALSE Kangaroos Ben Cunnington 185 87 30-Jun-86 2005 VIC Geelong Falcons 10 n Center Center Center FALSE Kangaroos Ben Jacobs 185 83 09-Jan-87 2005 VIC Sandringham 5 n Back Back Fifty Center FALSE Kangaroos Ben Mabon 200 89 15-Jun-87 0 VIC North Ballarat 40 n Ruck Ruck Ruck TRUE Kangaroos Ben Speight 183 75 02-May-85 2007 SA Norwood 46 r Center Forward Center FALSE Kangaroos Brad McKenzie 186 84 29-May-88 2007 SA Sturt 2 n Center Back Back Fifty FALSE Kangaroos Brent Harvey 167 75 14-May-73 1992 VIC North Knights 29 n Forward Center Forward Fifty FALSE Kangaroos Cameron Delaney 194 99 20-Jun-87 2006 VIC Geelong Falcons 31 n Back Fifty Back Back Fifty TRUE Kangaroos CamRichardson 189 87 02-Dec-82 2006 VIC North Ballarat 21 r Back Back Fifty Center FALSE Kangaroos Daniel Currie 201 96 15-Feb-84 0 VIC North Knights 1 n Ruck Ruck Ruck TRUE Kangaroos Daniel Wells 181 79 03-Feb-80 1999 WA Peel Thunder 8 n Center Center Center FALSE Kangaroos Drew Petrie 197 101 15-Oct-77 1997 VIC North Ballarat 20 n Forward Fifty Forward RUCK TRUE Kangaroos Eric Wallace 197 102 14-Dec-83 0 USA North Carolina 39 r Ruck Forward Fifty Forward TRUE Kangaroos Jack Ziebell 188 90 28-Feb-86 2005 VIC Murray Rangers 7 n Center Center Forward FALSE Kangaroos Jamie MacMillan 188 86 23-Sep-86 2005 VIC Oak Chargers 34 n Center Center Back FALSE Kangaroos Jordan Gysberts 191 81 11-Jun-86 2005 VIC Eastern Ranges 14 n Center Center Center FALSE Kangaroos Kieran Harper 187 84 16-Jun-87 2006 VIC Eastern Ranges 23 n Forward Forward Fifty Center FALSE Kangaroos Lachlan Hansen 197 98 17-Aug-83 2003 VIC Gippsland Power 6 n Forward Forward Fifty Back TRUE Kangaroos Leigh Adams 176 79 06-Apr-83 2003 VIC Eastern Ranges 13 n Forward Center Center FALSE Kangaroos Levi Greenwood 181 87 19-Feb-84 2005 SA Port Adelaide 24 n Back Back Fifty Center FALSE Kangaroos Liam Anthony 189 88 09-Sep-82 2005 WA East Fremantle 4 n Center Center Center FALSE Kangaroos Lindsay Thomas 180 79 28-Feb-83 2003 SA Port Adelaide 12 n Forward Fifty Forward Forward Fifty FALSE Kangaroos Luke Delaney 194 91 24-Jun-84 2004 VIC Geelong Falcons 15 n Back Fifty Back Back Fifty TRUE Kangaroos Majak Daw 195 97 11-Mar-86 0 VIC Western Jets 38 n Ruck Center Forward Fifty TRUE Kangaroos Mason Wood 192 84 13-Sep-88 0 VIC Geelong Falcons 32 n Forward Forward Fifty Forward TRUE Kangaroos Max Warren 181 80 30-Jan-88 0 VIC Eastern Ranges 44 r Center Center Center FALSE Kangaroos Michael Firrito 189 93 27-Nov-78 1999 VIC Eastern Ranges 11 n Back Back Fifty Back FALSE Kangaroos MitchWilkins 184 78 01-Oct-89 0 VIC Eastern Ranges 33 n Back Fifty Back Back Fifty FALSE Kangaroos Nathan Grima 192 94 05-Aug-80 2004 SA Centrals 17 n Back Back Fifty Back TRUE Kangaroos Robert Tarrant 196 97 25-Apr-84 2005 VIC Bendigo 25 n Forward Forward Fifty Back Fifty TRUE Kangaroos Ryan Bastinac 184 84 22-Jun-86 2005 VIC Dandenong 3 n Center Center Center FALSE Kangaroos Sam Gibson 185 83 27-May-81 2007 VIC Oakleigh 43 n Center Center Center FALSE Kangaroos Samuel Wright 188 85 15-Jul-85 2005 VIC Murray 19 n Back Center Forward FALSE Kangaroos Scott McMahon 184 88 02-Jun-81 2003 SA West Torrens 42 n Back Back Fifty Forward FALSE Kangaroos ScottD Thompson 193 93 09-May-81 2004 VIC Geelong Falcons 16 n Back Fifty Back Fifty Back TRUE Kangaroos Shaun Atley 189 84 14-Sep-87 2007 VIC Murray 18 n Back Back Fifty Center FALSE Kangaroos Taylor Garner 186 80 08-Jan-89 0 VIC Dandenong 27 n Forward Forward Fifty Forward FALSE Kangaroos Taylor Hine 184 83 24-Jan-87 2006 QLD Rupertswood FC 26 n Back Back Fifty Center FALSE Kangaroos TimMcGenniss 182 79 18-Jan-89 0 SA Sturt 37 r Center Center Center FALSE Kangaroos Todd Goldstein 201 103 01-Jul-83 2004 VIC Oakleigh 22 n Ruck Ruck Forward Fifty TRUE Kangaroos Tom Curran 195 96 18-Sep-88 0 VIC Oakleigh 30 n Forward Back Forward Fifty TRUE Kangaroos WillSierakowski 187 82 26-Jun-85 0 NSW Sydney 28 n Back Back Fifty Forward FALSE
