FIFA World Cup 2010

Discussion in 'Association Football Discussion' started by Baxter, Jan 17, 2010.

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  1. Baxter MJ Deane

    The difference between the two is not insignificant, when Arsenal played City last year Walcott absolutely tore past SWP and accelerated away from him, not too many players can do that; Walcott is one that can.
    Walcott's finishing isn't spectacular but it's considerably better than SWP's and your suggestion that SWP is better as a utility striker is laughable. Genuine comedy.
    Yeah, Walcott's not reknowned from hitting them from 20+ yards, but why does he need to? He can just run past defences, Walcott is stupidly better at running at a back four and getting into the box than SWP is. They're slightly different players to compare, obviously both are going to be competing for the right wing spot but SWP is more likely to stay out wide and attack the by line and get a cross in where as Walcott is more likely to run at a defense, get in behind or cut in. That's when he's most dangerous and that's why crossing doesn't feature so much in his game.
    I'm not going to make an argument for Walcott's crossing being better than SWP's as it isn't, though it's evdient from the two styles of player that crossing is much more important to SWP as a player than Walcott.
    In all honesty how many headed goals do you remember England scoring in open play recently? As neither Walcott or SWP will be taking set pieces headed goals from set pieces are irrelevant.
    I personally believe Walcott would be more effective in the England side because we'd benefit from somebody running into the box, drawing men away from Rooney, Walcott is a constant threat, SWP is most of the time but the threat of Walcott is much bigger IMHO as he's much more direct in the way he plays. As a full back you can just show SWP the line and let him try and swing in a cross, most self respecting centre halves should be able to deal with Rooney in the air(it's not his strongest area) and for a man of his height Heskey just tends to let the ball bounce of him, he doesn't score that many headers and in fact he doesn't score many at all.
     
    Baxter, Jan 17, 2010
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  2. Baxter MJ Deane

    One line responses aren't always sufficient.
     
    Baxter, Jan 17, 2010
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  3. BoyBlunder BOY Blunder

    The fact is though he can tackle, he just doesn't need to do it much because of his positional wareness. What Carrick brings is a footballing intelligence. And if you're tryingto say he's not a good distributor then you clearly don't watch alot of football.
     
    BoyBlunder, Jan 17, 2010
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  4. Baxter MJ Deane

    Well I do, the bloke can pass over a distance of 25 yards. Wow. Impressive.
    Carrick isn't a very good tackler at all.
    He really has very little attacking direction and the majority of his passes lead to nothing. Just simple interchanges and deny it all you like but a ridiculous amount of his passes go sideways, he's not the type of midfielder to architect a move with an incisive pass. He's just not particularly great at anything. There are worse players, but there are much much better players available.
     
    Baxter, Jan 17, 2010
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  5. Verigoat S Verigotta

    Thats a load of rubbish tbh.

    Just sounds like your making stuff up to be honest. Massivly over rating Walcotts abilitys and massivly under rating SWP. Speed wise, maybe he did slightly acceletate away from philips, I cant remember that, but so what.

    No he can't just run past defences. Maybe he can run past Burnleys defence but this is the WORLD CUP for god sake. You cant just run past these defences and be happy with it.
    SWP likely to stay on the side line is a load of shit to. Youve obviously not seen him this season as he both goes out to cross and cuts in to do cross shots/passes

    Directly scoring from crosses with headers is not the only way crosses are effective. Why do we use Hesky and Cole, to knock long balls/crosses down to the better shooters like they have done in every game.
    And when Crouch is on the field, everything in the air is possibly :D

    Walcott doesnt posess any where near the skill SWP has. Youd be a fool to think he does. If I am gonna choose a player to run at a defensive line and create something for my attackers. Id choose SWP 99/100, and on the 100th id think about it and then take SWP.

    Walcott is a joke player
     
    Verigoat, Jan 17, 2010
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  6. Baxter MJ Deane

    No, SWP is much more likely to hug the touch line. He can come inside but he doesn't do it with the regularity of Walcott.
    Once Walcott is in behind you won't catch him, he can run past and away from defences International or FA Cup against Kettering it doesn't make a difference unless all International defenders are all as quick as Walcott, which none of them are.

    Wingers aren't really the type of players who hit long balls up to the front men, the majority of balls pumped up to Heskey or Crouch will come from the back 4 or a deep midfielder. When you're in an advanced position on the touchline it'd be a complete waste of possession to lump it aerially into the middle for a scramble, as a winger it goes inside to a midfielder, back to your full back or forward to a strikers feet. Hard to describe the senario in mind but hopefully you get it.

    As for flick ons I'd much rather have Theo running onto them than SWP. Walcott fits the England system so much better.
     
    Baxter, Jan 17, 2010
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  7. Verigoat S Verigotta

    Id much rather have SWP on the ball that Walcott, Id also be more confident on SWP tacking back to make the tackle

    All the positives SWP brings > Positives Walcott brings
     
    Verigoat, Jan 17, 2010
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  8. Baxter MJ Deane

    Basically we're going to have to agree to disagree and wait for the squad.
     
    Baxter, Jan 17, 2010
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  9. Verigoat S Verigotta

    I was actually going to say that in the last post but I thought it might turn into a

    "your backing out so you must be wrong" sort of thing

    Marcuss to lock this thread imo
     
    Verigoat, Jan 17, 2010
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  10. Baxter MJ Deane

    Was tempted to do it a little while ago :laugh:
    Might just ban squad talk(from poms atm, Crims can have an opportunity to be dickheads, as can NZers). Just keep some prediction talk or something in here though.
     
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    Baxter, Jan 17, 2010
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  11. Jabba HJ Bots

    Thought I'd put my hopeful NZ lineup in here

    Hopeful formation 4-1-1-2-2

    GK:Paston-with Moss being suspended for the 3 games IIRC Paston is our only other par goalkepper. rating 6/10
    LB:Tommy SmithHeard great things about this kid only 19 and plays for Ipswich Town but on loan to Brentford seeking 1st 11 football haven't seen him play but hope he is better than Lochead. rating unknown
    CB:Vicelich-Natural leftie so playing him alongside the left back should mean a good get of jail card with his strong foot being the one closest to the line. Has a mean floated cross aswell. rating 6/10
    CB:Nelson (c)- Fairly obvious choice blackburn rovers CB. Only problem is he is very quick to slid in which against fleet footed players could be a problem but since he has versed all the PL and past PL studs he'll have no problem rating 7.5/10
    RB: Sigmund- Before the Bahrain match I would have said if Herbert changes to 4-4-2 this is your man to partner Nelson but after watching how well he did he is my first choice RB if our LB gets caught out of position we have a pretty good back 3 which can hopefully hold the play up. Pace is an issue as he is a big man but hopefully he'll get help from the mids. Will be subbed at about the 70-78th minute. rating 5.5/10
    CDM:Simon Elliott- Experience and not the greatest fitness sees him play here rather than CM. Not many others in my opinion who can do this for us. rating 6/10
    CM:Tim Brown- Best season so far for Phoenix brilliant player has the nack of popping up out of noowhere to header crosses in full of running will hopefully play 90. rating 6.5/10
    CAM:Leo Bertos-Fast,Fleet footed, Full of running can cross and will take corners wont play out the 90 but will hopefully do. rating 6.5/10
    CAM:Chris Killen-Now at Borough Herbert seems to have like Fallon and Smeltz up front more so I'd expect Chris to slot into the other CAM mid position for opposite reasons to Leo his ability to hold the ball and pass and or shoot but how he adapts to CAM could be a problem rating 6/10
    CF:Fallon- Strong in the air and lethal in close but has rather ordinary positioning and first touch is as bad as a kicking the ball as hard as you can against a brick wall rating: 5.5/10
    CF: Smeltz- Golden boot in A League heaps of potential lethal shot, great ball skills but requires good service to his feet which could be a problem rating 6.5/10

    Subs:
    Lochead: Good at holding up defenders but never played against classy wingers before. Slow gets caught out alot. Not the best at overlapping either but will get a run because Herbert loves him will come on for either Sigmund,Vicelich or Elliott. rating 4.5/10
    Michael McGlinchey: Solid CM will come on for Bertos in about the 75 min with a formation change to 4-3-3 solid defender runs all day from what I've seen which is limited
    rating 5/10
    Chris Wood: 4th CF not far behind the other 3 and will come on for 1 of them in about the 80th minute. Quick has ball skills and can score rating 5/10

    Others to do theres like mine imo.
     
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    Jabba, Jan 17, 2010
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  12. Baxter MJ Deane

    Fallon. lol.
     
    Baxter, Jan 17, 2010
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  13. BoyBlunder BOY Blunder

    Haha biggest waste of space.
     
    BoyBlunder, Jan 17, 2010
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  14. Jabba HJ Bots


    haha onjly just read the first 2 pages of this thread but agree with Marcuss tbph. Role of a CDM is to get a distribute I've watched countless Manure games this season and Carrick tends to run with the ball instead of releasing and also I've seen him drift on more than one occassion he is a very good CM but I wouldn't play him in CDM either play someone else there or change formation.

    Young has nothing on Milner. Milner is turning into a top quality winger Speed to burn exceptional footwork can cross and shoot.

    I too think Walcott should go as the player who can play up front off a big striker or out wide he is by far the best england have doing it in my mind.

    but i disagree on some things I think Lescott should go he is left footed which is a huge bonus for anyone playing CB as it offers versatility especially if your other Cb is a righty + he can play LB.
     
    Jabba, Jan 17, 2010
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  15. Baxter MJ Deane

    Lescott's just a calamity though, he had a golden run where he kept scoring and before you know it he was being hailed as the almighty, whilst Jagielka made sure that Lescott didn't completely manage to undo it all by stopping Everton conceeding too many as for every goal Lescott scored he made a defensive blunder.
     
    Baxter, Jan 17, 2010
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  16. SM MD Dorn

    I think Defoe is too much like Rooney and a majority of strikers, and well, Rooney > Defoe, no ****ing doubt about it.

    Add Beckham in, and one of either Foster, Kirkland, at a stretch, Carson, i dont think Green should be there, he's been pretty average this season.

    TBH it wont matter when you guys get pumped by USA in pool play :laugh:
     
    SM, Jan 17, 2010
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  17. SM MD Dorn


    NELSEN! RYAN ****ING NELSEN.

    I doubt we'll play a 4-4-2. Most likely a 3-4-3 which will get us pumped, but we will score a couple of goals, which will keep us happy.

    Bertos is massively underrated, he's a quality provider for both club and country, and he's done a few stints in England IIRC, so he's got experience
     
    SM, Jan 17, 2010
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  18. SM MD Dorn

    Nugent ---> England squad :ninja:
     
    SM, Jan 17, 2010
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  19. Jabba HJ Bots

    haha my bad. Herbert has said in our upcoming friendly that he'll use 3-4-3 as a test to see if it'll work against better sides if it doesn't he said he wont use it in the WC.
     
    Jabba, Jan 17, 2010
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  20. SM MD Dorn

    Yea, it is really playing to our strengths. We really do have 4 quality strikers in Wood, Smeltz(ish), Killen, and Fallon. So only playing 2 of them seems a bit of a waste, with the 3rd coming off the bench.

    Especially considering the massive lack of depth we have in defence and to a lesser extend, midfeild
     
    SM, Jan 17, 2010
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