morgieb's Draft Review

Discussion in 'CPL Aussie Rules' started by morgieb, Apr 9, 2013.

  1. morgieb MC Burridge

    Based on Verigoat's one for the CPL. Feel free to comment and critique my selections.

    1. Jabba - Lance Franklin
    2. Brett - Scott Pendlebury
    3. Morgie - Gary Ablett jr
    4. Paulfromoz - Trent Cotchin
    5. Nino - Joel Selwood
    6. Jager - Patrick Dangerfield
    7. Theo - Dane Swan
    8. Harps - Marc Murphy
    9. Diggler - Jobe Watson
    10. Jimmy_C8 - Josh P. Kennedy
    11. Shagger - Tom Hawkins
    12. Skippos - Nic Naitanui
    13. Benny - Matthew Pavlich
    14. Mousey/Teacups - Harry Taylor
    15. MightyPies/Heef - Scott Selwood
    16. Masters - Sam Mitchell

    Best: Well, everyone really got a good pick. The best two picks you could've made were Ablett and Franklin, and unsurprisingly they went in the top three.

    Worst: Selwood. Harsh given he's still fairly young and won a B&F last year, but there were probably better players at the time. Pavlich was also an interesting one due to his age, but his ability and his position counteracts that I feel.
     
  2. MatthewJay TA Miokovic

    Pavlich and Selwood probably the bottom two.

    Still great players though.
     
  3. morgieb MC Burridge

    Round 2:

    17. Masters - Scott Thompson (Adelaide)
    18. MightyPies/Heef - Jack Riewoldt
    19. Mousey/Teacups - Dayne Beams
    20. Benny - Chris Judd
    21. Skippos - Nat Fyfe
    22. Shagger - Luke Hodge
    23. Jimmy_c8 - Travis Cloke
    24. Diggler - Taylor Walker
    25. Harps - Andrew Swallow
    26. Theo - Kurt Tippett
    27. Jager - Cyril Rioli
    28. Nino - Nick Riewoldt
    29. Oz - Joshua J. Kennedy
    30. Morgie - Bryce Gibbs
    31. Brett - Drew Petrie
    32. Jabba - Jarryd Roughead

    Best: Tough, but probably Beams. Here, we have a B&F winner, All-Australian winner and a top 10 Brownlow placing who's in his early 20's. He's a first-round pick yet he made the second round. Honorable mention to Walker, who's also pretty young yet is already one of the competition's premier full-forwards.

    Worst: Again, a tough one, but lean Riewoldt. Just doesn't feel like the same player that he was. Yeah he's good, but you'd be better off picking up a younger player.
     
  4. Jabba HJ Bots

    What riewoldt :troll:
     
  5. morgieb MC Burridge

    Haha, Nick.
     
  6. Skippos SM Morgan

    Gonna joint hijack this thread

    Round 1

    Code:
    1. Jabba - Lance Franklin
     2. Brett - Scott Pendlebury
     3. Morgie - Gary Ablett jr
     4. Paulfromoz - Trent Cotchin
     5. Nino - Joel Selwood
     6. Jager - Patrick Dangerfield
     7. Theo - Dane Swan
     8. Harps - Marc Murphy
     9. Diggler - Jobe Watson
     10. Jimmy_C8 - Josh P. Kennedy
     11. Shagger - Tom Hawkins
     12. Skippos - Nic Naitanui
     13. Benny - Matthew Pavlich
     14. Mousey/Teacups - Harry Taylor
     15. MightyPies/Heef - Scott Selwood
     16. Masters - Sam Mitchell
    
    Best Pick:
    Ablett Jnr @3 - Morgie: Getting the best player in the comp at number three is fantastic work

    Every other pick not mentioned below was to be expected. Naitanui and Hawkins have potentials to be steals but not yet.

    Worst Picks:
    Pavlich @13 - Benny: Plenty of great key forwards left and Benny's gone with an ageing one, and one that's not in the top 3-4 anymore

    S. Selwood @15 - Heef: He's a good player but it's jumping the gun especially with Beams, Fyfe and Swallow left. This CPL will update ratings with the progression of players and with the return of Kerr & Rosa and emergence of Gaff and inclusion of Wellingham, one can't help but assume he'll be tagging more often which will only hurt him

    HM goes to Mitchell @ 16 who's neither an elite mid nor the age to make it worthwhile
     
  7. Skippos SM Morgan

    Round 2

    Code:
     17. Masters - Scott Thompson (Adelaide)
     18. MightyPies/Heef - Jack Riewoldt
     19. Mousey/Teacups - Dayne Beams
     20. Benny - Chris Judd
     21. Skippos - Nat Fyfe
     22. Shagger - Luke Hodge
     23. Jimmy_c8 - Travis Cloke
     24. Diggler - Taylor Walker
     25. Harps - Andrew Swallow
     26. Theo - Kurt Tippett
     27. Jager - Cyril Rioli
     28. Nino - Nick Riewoldt
     29. Oz - Joshua J. Kennedy
     30. Morgie - Bryce Gibbs
     31. Brett - Drew Petrie
     32. Jabba - Jarryd Roughead
    Best Picks:
    Jarryd Roughead @32 - Jabba: Grabbing a Key Position player who can take backup ruck minutes is so, so important. The last thing someone will want is a fatigued ruck playing 80, a shit backup ruck or having someone not very good having to take backup ruck minutes. Jabba's nailed the perfect 2nd ruck and it'll save him the bench spot + Roughead's a premier key forward, plus his key defense rating will be high as well so he's versatile

    Andrew Swallow @25 - Harps: A close second, Swallow's a gun. Best tackler around and provides elite supply, good disposal, awesome work ethic and serious grunt. A great staple.

    HMs to Beams (doubts about backing it up prevent his inclusion above) and Fyfe (who got the most brownlow votes per game and provides a brilliant and composed link up option in the middle. probably the most unique mid so it's a risk/reward)

    Worst picks:

    Luke Hodge @22 - Shagger: He's old, he's shown signs of decline and he's not in the elite group of midfielders, possibly not even the 2nd group. His injury proneness should have seen him slide to the 4th or 5th round at least
     
  8. morgieb MC Burridge

    I'd consider Mitchell an elite mid tbf.
     
  9. morgieb MC Burridge

    Agree with most of your picks btw.
     
  10. morgieb MC Burridge

    Round 3:

    33. Masters - Brett Deledio
    34. MightyPies/Heef - Dean Cox
    35. Mousey/Teacups - Mitch Clark
    36. Benny - Zac Smith
    37. Skippos - Rory Sloane
    38. Shagger - Aaron Sandilands
    39. Jimmy_c8 - Ivan Maric
    40. Diggler - Sam Jacobs
    41. Harps - Todd Goldstein
    42. Theo - Matthew Kreuzer
    43. Jager - Jimmy Bartel
    44. Nino - Ben McEvoy
    45. Oz - Shane Mumford
    46. Morgie - Will Minson
    47. Brett - Matthew Leuenberger
    48. Jabba - Steele Sidebottom

    Best: A few guns here. Mitch Clark is a quality forward option + ruck, and Mumford is (IMO) a fair bit better than a few rucks taken before him. And while Cox is getting older, he is still probably the best ruck in the competition, and getting him in Rd 3 is a great piece of work. So my vote goes to Dean Cox.

    Worst: Zac Smith. Although he is young and had a good 2011, he hasn't really been the same since, and there were plenty of better rucks picked this round. To take him early in Rd 3 feels like a waste.

    Honorable Mention to Steele Sidebottom. Yes he is young but he hasn't done that much in his career, and there were better mids still available. Also, Masters picking up Deledio feels like a waste given he already had two perfectly good mids, as good as he is.
     
  11. Skippos SM Morgan

    Overrating Mumford with the new ruck rules.

    You're also SERIOUSLY underrating Sidebottom.
     
  12. MASTERS S Masters

    yea thats mu bad, i should have taken a ruck or a backman, will cost me dealy later on in the draft
     
  13. MightyPies DA Alessi

    Love this thread. Good work fellas
     
  14. MatthewJay TA Miokovic

    What's everyone's thoughts on Tippett vs Clark?
     
  15. Jabba HJ Bots

    He had 26 disposals sits him at the bottom end of the next tier after elite disposers
    He had 15 kicks sitting him in the next tier after the elite kick alot people
    and 5.5 marks notsure if this is good for a midfielder, thought mainly backs and forwards got alot of these
    and he is super duper young which should only suggest he improves alot

    AM I DOING IT RIGHT? Doesn't seem like a bad pick up to me untrained eye
     
  16. Jabba HJ Bots

    He seemed better then Jetta so if this is how highly sidebottom gets rated .... :cry:
     
  17. morgieb MC Burridge

    Probably would've taken Tippett first. He's a fair bit younger than Clark and plays for a more professional club.
     
  18. Skippos SM Morgan

    Jabba, as ruthless on morgie as this sounds he was primarily a league fan and I still think he's getting up to scratch with the game since really becoming hardcore afl.

    His input is valued and often correct but it's also got a good chance of being wrong due to inexperience.

    Sidebottom was an excellent pick. Jetta, not so much.
     
  19. Skippos SM Morgan

    Biggest cop out of a line.
     
  20. Skippos SM Morgan

    I'd have gone Tippett because he's a goalscorer.

    Clark's a ruckman. He's got the versatility but what people have to remember is that he made the name for himself in '09 as a 21 year old playing full time ruck while Leuenberger and Charman were injured. He averaged 16 touches, 6 marks, 4 tackles and 22 hitouts a game - fucking good for a ruck. Nabbed 10 brownlow votes too.

    The next season Leuenberger was back and the better ruck. Clark was a gun but his mobility, marking and movement lent itself to both CHB and FF more than a pure ruck. Next season he played all over the shop, 1/2 at FF and 1/2 at CHB and played second ruck. Struggled big time at FF though, 15 touches, 5 marks, 2.5 tackles, 0.5 goals, 11 hitouts a game, a serious difference. '2011 he played FF the whole season and averaged 14 touches, 5 marks, 1.6 goals, 2 tackles and 5 hitouts a game.

    To be honest, for a fella who got the 2nd defender all year and had the whole forward line to himself, that output's pretty fucking awful. Looked out of sorts, moved to Melbourne and clicked a bit more in '12, 12.5 touches, 5 marks, 2.6 goals, 2 tackles and 4 hitouts a game.

    In short, Clark's really only had one season where he's been a genuinely good key forward, 2012. He had all the supply too, I'd say more kicks inside 50 were directed at him than anyone in the AFL per game.

    I still consider him a ruckman; he's best as a ruckman, he's performed as a ruckman, he made a name for himself as a ruckman. He's just disadvantaged by the fact that he *can* play forward and with the new sub rules 2 rucks is pointless so a FWD/Ruck in the Roughead/Tippett/Lynch/Ryder/Vickery/Kozi/Cordy kind of mold is perfect, and the AFL is going through a key forward shortage and good ruckman overload.

    Stef Martin falls into the same boat, made his name as a ruckman while Jamar was injured and due to his movement he now switches between CHF/CHB despite being average at both. Ryder's the same - a far better ruck than KPF but has to play there.

    Tippett's actually a genuine forward. He knows how to do it, he's been trained - not converted over a pre season. Don't underrate that. I'd prefer him.

    Although I'd recommend to the owner of Clark that he'll have a better rating as a ruck - it's just whether you'd prefer to play him in his best spot or where he's better than everyone else (specialty position i.e. why he/ryder/martin play fwd now). This database assesses capabilities, not actions. You coach the players, so why should you be restricted and have to play Jordan Roughead at FB when he's a capable ruck if you want him there because McCartney plays him at FB. You guys are the coaches so you decide how to use the players skillset, and Clark's is better equipped for rucking.
     

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